Woman Convicted Of Involuntary Manslaughter Over Texts Pushing Boyfriend To Commit Suicide

A 20-year-old Massachusetts woman by the name of Michelle Carter has been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter over a series of texts that a court deemed encouraged her boyfriend to commit suicide.

According to CNN, prosecutors argued during Carter’s trial that, in 2014, she sent her 18-year-old boyfriend Conrad Roy “numerous text messages urging him to commit suicide, listened over the phone as he suffocated, and failed to alert authorities or his family that he’d died.”

Prosecutors also argued that Carter used Roy’s death “to get from friends the attention that she desperately craved.”

Bristol County Juvenile Court Judge Lawrence Moniz agreed with the claims, presenting Carter’s lack of action as part of his rationale for the guilty verdict.

“This court has found that Carter’s actions and failure to act where it was her self-created duty to Roy since she put him in that toxic environment constituted reckless conduct,” Moniz said. “The court finds that the conduct caused the death of Mr. Roy.”

Carter cried as Moniz made his statement.

See Moniz’s verdict below.

According to CNN, Roy’s family is happy with Moniz’s findings.

One of the exchanges between Carter and Roy before the latter killed himself via carbon monoxide poisoning.

“This has been a very tough time for our family and we would just like to process this verdict that we are happy with,” said Roy’s father.

Prosecutor Katie Rayburn, meanwhile, stated, “although we are very pleased with the verdict, in reality there are no winners here. Two families had been torn apart and will be affected by this for years to come. We hope [the] verdict will bring some closure. It’s been an extremely emotionally draining process for everyone involved.”

According to Rolling Stone, Carter has been set free on bail until her August 3rd sentencing.

Because the crime took place when she was 17, Carter was tried as a youth offender and faces up to 20 years in prison.

As part of her bail agreement, she cannot contact Roy’s family, leave Massachusetts without a judge’s approval, or apply to receive a passport.

This case drew considerable national attention and raised plenty of debate concerning the legality and ethical considerations related to “suicide via text.”

“I was surprised that her despicable behavior constituted manslaughter,” said law professor Daniel Medwed to Rolling Stone.

“But I’m not shocked because what she did was so reprehensible that a judge wanted to hold her accountable.”

Medwed went on to speculate that legislators will likely pass a law criminalizing suicide to avoid prosecutors taking advantage of this case to pursue manslaughter charges in other instances.

“That’s a good thing,” he said. “We should have a law that governs this behavior. Manslaughter was always an ill-fitting suit.”

Meanwhile online, reaction to the verdict is positive.

Sources:
CNN
Rolling Stone

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124 Comments

  1. freenclear

    June 16, 2017 at 2:31 pm

    What a load of shit. Some weakass pussy gets talked into killing himself and it’s her fault? Appeal and get this tossed. One less turd in the gene pool.

    • David Power

      June 16, 2017 at 2:35 pm

      Actually, it’s weakass pussies like you that are the real problem.

      She deliberately took advantage of this guys state of mind to goad him into killing himself. If the genders were reversed, the guy would have got life.

      • 0bsoleteMan

        June 16, 2017 at 2:45 pm

        Exactly. If a man had done this to a woman, the book would have been rightfully thrown at him.

    • AlexCorvidae

      June 16, 2017 at 2:45 pm

      Fuck you. Judgmental piece of shit. It’s obvious you have no idea what depression (clinical, not I feel sad) is, our how empty and hopeless one must feel to suicidal. So, as a quick recap. Fuck you. I hope you get an opportunity to understand what you don’t now.

      • Deplorably Optimistic.

        June 16, 2017 at 3:20 pm

        SO if mr Freenclear gets depression from your remarks, by the same argument, arent you responsible?

        • AlexCorvidae

          June 16, 2017 at 3:22 pm

          Only to the anti-trump crowd does hoping equal doing.

      • Cori Hatchet

        June 16, 2017 at 3:38 pm

        Temper temper

        • AlexCorvidae

          June 16, 2017 at 3:51 pm

          Despite trying not give in to name calling and lashing out, especially in the current divisive environment. I’m human and sometimes I lose my cool.

          • Cori Hatchet

            June 16, 2017 at 4:04 pm

            I can see it’s a touchy subject. I’m disassociating myself from that. I think she’s evil. I also live in Mass and am fairly well acquainted with Mass laws. This will be overturned as there is no statute that covers this. The prosecutor and judge reached and will get their respective hands slapped by an appellate court.

  2. Ruth Gauthier

    June 16, 2017 at 2:51 pm

    She will be joining the DNC when she gets out.

  3. Clayton ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    June 16, 2017 at 2:57 pm

    Should’ve welded all the doors on a car shut with her in it and pumped the exhaust into the cab with for a couple hours as her punishment. Exactly what she talked the other guy into doing.

    • Cori Hatchet

      June 16, 2017 at 3:39 pm

      She didn’t make him do anything.

  4. PolishFreedomFighter

    June 16, 2017 at 3:05 pm

    So many men have lost jobs and even lives over false accusations made by vindictive women. My friend lost his fancy government job because some crazy woman decided to go after him. Another friend lost a university position for the same reason. Enough is enough!

  5. Sean Murdoch

    June 16, 2017 at 3:11 pm

    I’m from Boston and I feel horrible for what the commonwealth did. For all you Milo fans I am for free speech and Michelle should be free!

    • Bigmara

      June 16, 2017 at 3:13 pm

      You’re a piece of shit you degenerate subhuman. You fucking disgusting nigger fucking faggot go die because you bring nothing to the world.
      Respect my speech.

      • Sean Murdoch

        June 16, 2017 at 3:16 pm

        What did I say?

        • MLMII

          June 16, 2017 at 3:19 pm

          You dared to bring logic to an emotional argument and the small minded can only respond by lashing out.

          • Nem

            June 16, 2017 at 3:28 pm

            Is it free speech to threaten someone’s life or urge others to do so? No, it’s clearly and demonstrably not. This is no different. So stuff the snide comments.

          • MLMII

            June 16, 2017 at 3:39 pm

            I agree, threats of violence aren’t covered under free speech, but your problem is that isn’t what she did.

          • Nem

            June 16, 2017 at 5:07 pm

            She convinced a mentally unstable person to kill themselves. Not just as a one-off text but over the course of weeks or months. This is deeper than what you are trying to make it seem.

          • MLMII

            July 6, 2017 at 3:28 pm

            Cute, especially considering that the only people being threating are the ones on your side of this issue.

          • Nem

            July 6, 2017 at 4:56 pm

            “My side” didn’t realize we were drawing lines in the sand here.

          • MLMII

            July 6, 2017 at 10:48 pm

            Then I’d suggest you go back and reread the comments, yours included.

        • Cori Hatchet

          June 16, 2017 at 3:35 pm

          Bigmara has a little peepee. Don’t worry about it.

          • Sean Murdoch

            June 17, 2017 at 3:17 pm

            Thank you Cori

      • tammie

        June 16, 2017 at 3:33 pm

        Pot calling the kettle black?? Wow it must be awful to be in your head! Your only recourse is to become a sick deranged psycho? He has every right to how he feels no matter who agrees with him or not. You might want to look in the mirror on that whole “You’re a piece of shit you degenerate subhuman”. He only stated his opinion. you are the one who got disgusting!

        • Bigmara

          June 16, 2017 at 3:39 pm

          no u

    • anna

      June 16, 2017 at 3:35 pm

      Nah, not only did she urge him to commit suicide, fervently, she didn’t call 911 when he was dying. She deserves what she got.

      • Cori Hatchet

        June 16, 2017 at 3:46 pm

        Please show us the statute making either of those things illegal.

        • MLMII

          June 16, 2017 at 3:52 pm

          I don’t believe that there is a” duty to rescue” law that applies, although after looking into it it does sound like MA is one of a handful of states that would require her to call 911, even if said law is commonly ignored and I seriously doubt it would carry more than a slap on the wrist.

          • Cori Hatchet

            June 16, 2017 at 4:01 pm

            In Mass, there is no duty placed on the ordinary citizen to assist in anyway. If she were a cop or his doctor, or if she said she would take that burden and say she was going to call 911, then didn’t, she would be liable. Trust me, this will be overturned.

          • Arkady Renko

            June 16, 2017 at 10:20 pm

            Say, Cori. If you were feeling a bit suicidal and were standing on a high ledge. Could I stand below on the side walk and beg, cajole, bully or otherwise encourage you to jump? And when you lay splattered on the pavement, could I laugh and walk away without penalty?

  6. MLMII

    June 16, 2017 at 3:16 pm

    What she did was evil but in general I tend to disagree with criminalizing speech, which is not to say that the parents of her boyfriend shouldn’t have sued her civilly for wrongful death and taken every penny she will ever earn.

    • Nem

      June 16, 2017 at 3:30 pm

      A person like this isn’t capable of functioning in society. She viewed trading a human life for some attention as a good deal. She’s a monster.

      • MLMII

        June 16, 2017 at 3:36 pm

        I agree, she is a monster, but criminalizing her words is still wrong. Plastering her face and what she did to the public wherever she lived would have been a more suitable punishment.

        • Nem

          June 16, 2017 at 5:08 pm

          She obviously has no shame to begin with.

      • Matthew Trent Carlson

        June 16, 2017 at 10:51 pm

        It probably has more to do with her listening on the phone while he gasped.

    • Cori Hatchet

      June 16, 2017 at 3:40 pm

      I agree.

    • GmailIsDown

      June 16, 2017 at 4:38 pm

      I don’t think she’s evil. If you read more about the case you will know she encouraged him to seek help many times before. She must have believed he has been suffering so much and committing suicide instead of torturing himself like that everyday was the best for him. They were both teenagers.

      • rainsoul

        June 16, 2017 at 9:33 pm

        I don’t know what to think about her, since we don’t know their history.

        but the main thing in fault could be what is taught in schools and in this secular selfish world we live in. If they had been taught to value life to fight for it, to think of living even when its painful that it is worth living, because there is hope in the future.. if they believed in God, in a good God that allows suffering but He will help you get through it….

        But we live in a death culture in which unborn babies are killed out of mercy, because what if it will suffer? what if it will become a bad person? what if….? So how different is what she did from encouraging a friend to abort an unwanted child?

        when living is painful, death is a false savior.

        • Arkady Renko

          June 16, 2017 at 10:12 pm

          Thank you for your thoughtful comments,rainsoul.

        • Matthew Trent Carlson

          June 16, 2017 at 10:54 pm

          Secular people value their lives too, as in many believe it’s the only one. Inversely Islam and old Christianity have demonstrated a lack of compassion and empathy.

        • Petri Juhani Helenius

          June 17, 2017 at 5:37 am

          In all probability there is no God. And should there be one against all odds, it is more than likely that it is entirely different than what you believe that god to be.

          Placing blame on the secular teachings claiming that religion could’ve saved them is ridiculous, you do not know and cannot know for certain everything that lead them to this outcome, and under certain conditions one could easily argue that replacing whatever it was that haunted this young man with religion would only result that he merely replaced one torment and mental inprisonment with another.

    • myddrinemrys

      June 17, 2017 at 9:27 am

      This does not fall into a category of protected speech. Incitement to violence (which would include encouraging suicide) is NOT covered under free speech.

    • I_h8_disqus

      June 17, 2017 at 12:37 pm

      Yeah, and Charles Manson should have never been convicted, and yelling fire in a crowded place is OK too.

  7. Deplorably Optimistic.

    June 16, 2017 at 3:18 pm

    This does set a bad precedent – prosecution for what you “say” in a country with a first amendment that says “freedom of speech”?

    How long before people are prosecuted for “hate speech”, and who determines the lines.

    • Nem

      June 16, 2017 at 3:27 pm

      There are certain things not protected under free speech. It’s not difficult to understand.

      • MLMII

        June 16, 2017 at 3:33 pm

        The line is usually drawn at things like yelling fire in a crowded building, although in recent years it has been expanded to include things like saying mean things to people online.

        The fact that people seldom realize a slippery slope until its too late doesn’t change the fact that this is a dangerous path to applaud.

        • Nem

          June 16, 2017 at 5:15 pm

          Again, you’re making this into something that it’s not. She wasn’t charged because she said mean things, she was charged because she sat on the phone while this man died and did nothing to stop it.

          • Cori Hatchet

            June 16, 2017 at 5:20 pm

            Which is not illegal in Mass.

          • Nem

            June 16, 2017 at 5:22 pm

            Apparently that is incorrect

          • Cori Hatchet

            June 16, 2017 at 5:26 pm

            Sorry, but you’re wrong. The prosecutor and judge over reached on the charge and I guarantee it will be overturned on appeal. I looked up the laws regarding this for Mass. The “average” citizen has no obligation to call 911 or render aid unless they said they would. Law enforcement, doctors, etc, who have a public responsibility do have to do these things, but not Joe Blow. I don’t need to argue the point, just look it up like I did.

          • Nem

            June 16, 2017 at 5:33 pm

            I’ll trust law and order over karma.

          • Cori Hatchet

            June 16, 2017 at 5:27 pm

            BTW, I think she’s evil and hope karma screws with her the rest of her life, but I don’t like gov’t over reach and this was certainly that.

          • Nem

            June 16, 2017 at 5:32 pm

            If someone had your family member on the phone while they were committing suicide, and they did nothing to try to stop it, what do you think should happen to them if anything at all?

      • Cori Hatchet

        June 16, 2017 at 3:33 pm

        This isn’t one of them. Go kill yourself. Go ahead, try to prosecute me.

        • anna

          June 16, 2017 at 3:37 pm

          Yeah there’s definitely a difference between saying “go kill yourself” and urging someone to commit suicide when you know they are on the edge, then failing to alert authorities when they are dying. If you allowed anyone to die without trying to call for help while you are able,
          You most certainly would face jail time.

          • Cori Hatchet

            June 16, 2017 at 3:43 pm

            Only if you’re legally responsible for them. I can see you lying on the sidewalk with a gunshot wound and I have no obligations whatsoever.

          • DaisyToo

            June 16, 2017 at 4:14 pm

            Actually, that depends upon the state. Of course, you do have moral obligations to call 911 for help – and that’s true even if you are entirely governed by selfishly living all alone in the unfortunate state between your ears.

          • Cori Hatchet

            June 16, 2017 at 5:19 pm

            In Mass, the average citizen has no legal obligation to call 911 or render any aid. The only exception is if I say I will call 911 and then don’t call. She literally broke no Mass laws. The prosecutor and judge reached. I’m sure their motives were good, but they were erroneous legally and will be overturned on appeal. I’ll bet the farm on it. And BTW, I think she’s scum, I’m speaking from a legal aspect.

          • DaisyToo

            June 16, 2017 at 7:23 pm

            Here’s hoping you’re not correct legally. There was legal precedent in this case based on an old conviction of a prisoner who callously encouraged a suicidal prisoner to kill himself.
            And yes, I agree, she is depraved, her behavior rotten and scummy.

          • Chesapeake

            June 16, 2017 at 4:20 pm

            He belonged in a psychiatric facility. She could have encouraged him to seek help.

          • GmailIsDown

            June 16, 2017 at 4:34 pm

            She did encourage him to seek help numerous times in the past.

          • Chesapeake

            June 16, 2017 at 4:39 pm

            I can’t imagine encouraging someone to commit suicide even if they were terminal.

          • Pearlbuck

            June 16, 2017 at 9:16 pm

            What’s the difference, constitutionally speaking?

          • myddrinemrys

            June 17, 2017 at 9:33 am

            It depends on the Brandenburg Test (Brandenburg v. Ohio 395 US 444 (1969)):

            “Freedoms of speech and press do not permit a State to forbid advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.”

            In this case, you have her encouraging him to commit suicide (a violation of law). Her advocacy of him committing that act of violence was likely and did lead to the commission of violence. That violence was imminent, as it resulted immediately in his suicide. Furthermore, she listened as he committed the act of violence.

            Because her actions encouraged violence AND led to imminent violence, her speech is not protected.

          • Pearlbuck

            June 17, 2017 at 12:35 pm

            That case actually upheld the first amendment, and overturned the conviction of a KKK leader who advocated violence. And, as I’m sure you know, Nazis marching in uniform in a town heavily populated by holocaust survivors could also be seen as a clear incitement to violence, but it was ruled to be protected speech.

            ACLU: “There is no law in Massachusetts making it a crime to encourage someone, or even to persuade someone, to commit suicide. Yet Ms. Carter has now been convicted of manslaughter, based on the prosecution’s theory that, as a 17-year-old girl, she literally killed Mr. Roy with her words. This conviction exceeds the limits of our criminal laws and violates free speech protections guaranteed by the Massachusetts and U.S. Constitutions. The implications of this conviction go far beyond the tragic circumstances of Mr. Roy’s death. If allowed to stand, Ms. Carter’s conviction could chill important and worthwhile end-of-life discussions between loved ones across the Commonwealth.”

            It’s also worth noting that in their final text conversation, she references previous similar conversations that, of course, did not end with the guy killing himself, which creates doubt about the “act of violence” being “likely” in this case.

            “In a text sent on the morning of the day after Roy killed himself, Carter still seemed incredulous that it happened, saying, “Did you do something??! Conrad I love you so much please tell me this is a joke.””

          • myddrinemrys

            June 17, 2017 at 1:47 pm

            I know how that case turned out. It laid out the requirements for speech to NOT be protected.

            In this case, though, she actively encouraged him to do it. That adds the element of depraved indifference, and negates the fact that he talked about it before without actually carrying it out. When he expressed hesitation, she actually goaded him into going through with it.
            ———————————
            Carter: “You just need to do it Conrad or I’m gonna get you help”
            Carter: “You can’t keep doing this everyday”
            Roy: “Okay I’m gonna do it today”
            Carter: “Do you promise”
            Roy: “I promise babe”
            Roy: “I have to now”
            Carter: “Like right now?”
            Roy: “where do I go? :(”
            Carter: “And u can’t break a promise. And just go in a quiet parking lot or something.”
            ——————————
            So rather than getting him help or reporting it, she pushes him toward doing it.

            Also, there is a HUGE difference between “end-of-life” discussions and what occurred in this case. Those discussions tend to occur when someone is nearing the end of their life due to age or life-threatening illness.

          • Pearlbuck

            June 17, 2017 at 1:59 pm

            They tend to, but a person who encourages someone to end his life because he says he’s in incessant pain that makes existence a living hell is expressing an opinion that is in the same vein.

          • myddrinemrys

            June 17, 2017 at 2:03 pm

            You are talking about a case of chronic illness, which is in a huge grey area. I have serious reservations about classifying depression as a chronic illness that should logically allow the person to take their life.

          • Pearlbuck

            June 17, 2017 at 2:22 pm

            Well, I think we can agree that the majority of the medical community today would disagree with you about some depression being classified as a chronic illness? But ultimately what you’re saying is that you disagree with someone’s opinion.

            And is the ACLU lying when they say there is no law in that state against suicide?

            “is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action”

          • myddrinemrys

            June 17, 2017 at 2:48 pm

            I should have expressed that better. Depression being a chronic illness that should give one leave to take one’s life. Euthanasia is a touchy subject, and I just don’t believe that someone should take their own life.

            Ch. 201D §12

            Euthanasia Condoned in Statutes?

            Nothing in this chapter shall be construed to constitute, condone, authorize, or approve suicide or mercy killing or to permit any affirmative or deliberate act to end one’s own life other than to permit the natural process of dying.

            As the law now stands, individuals do not have a constitutional right to physician assisted suicide. In 1997, the Supreme Court decided that the government’s interest in preventing intentional killing and preserving life outweighed a patient’s interest in the liberty to choose to die. Additionally, the Court differentiated between refusing life-saving medical treatment and asking a physician to end a patient’s life, and allowed states the freedom to make laws treating the two acts differently.

            The ACLU is wiggling around in the grey area as this statute was focused more on physician assisted suicide, and not suicide itself. Their argument is that, since the intent of the statute is to prevent physician assisted suicide, it does not apply to suicide in general. Of course, the other side of the argument is that the statute is quite clear in saying that suicide is not legal.

            So I wouldn’t say that the ACLU is lying. Instead, they are “lawyering,” essentially arguing about what the definition of “is” is.

          • Pearlbuck

            June 17, 2017 at 9:22 pm

            Physician -assisted suicide? Is there a specific law in that state against a person taking their own life? If so, what is the language of that law? Do people who attempt suicide and fail get tried for breaking that law? Have any gone to prison?

            You don’t believe that someone should take their own life. Thus, someone who does believe that some people should–and expresses that opinion–should do hard prison time.

          • myddrinemrys

            June 17, 2017 at 9:56 pm

            Read my other comment in this chain where I directly address the statute that is in place in Mass. It is ambiguous.

            As to the second point, no I do not believe that someone who expresses that people should be able to kill themselves should go to jail. If they are talking about it in the abstract, as in making a change to the law, etc., then THAT is protected speech.

            IF, however, we are talking about actively encouraging a person to commit suicide on an individual level as in this case? Absolutely.

          • Pearlbuck

            June 18, 2017 at 12:49 am

            I disagree. What complicates this matter for me is the age of the guy who killed himself and the girl.

          • Cory M

            June 21, 2017 at 5:18 pm

            No. The ACLU is not “lying”. There is no law against suicide in Massachusetts. Thus, there is no “lawless” action to incite.

          • Pearlbuck

            June 17, 2017 at 12:44 pm

            And I’ll say something else, part of the defense’s argument was that she was involuntarily intoxicated. She was a minor forced to take “medication” that produced grandiosity and a loose grasp of reality. Big Pharma created a culture where a child was drugged up and acted like a weirdo, and now she is facing 20 years in prison for the addled babble she typed into her phone. This isn’t the first adolescent tragedy influenced by SSRIs, and it won’t be the last. But for SOME REASON this aspect of the story has largely flown under the radar–just as it always does in cases where, say, the teen perpetrators of mass shootings are found to be juiced to the gills with these poisons.

          • myddrinemrys

            June 17, 2017 at 2:01 pm

            And did they have toxicology reports to substantiate that she was intoxicated? Were they able to show that she was intoxicated over the number of days that their exchanges went back and forth? Were they able to demonstrate that she was intoxicated on the last day, when she pushed him into taking the final step?

            Did they present expert testimony as to the effect of SSRIs on teen girls leading to intoxication? I will 100% agree that today’s children are ridiculously over-medicated. However, it is one thing to make a claim and another to be able to prove that claim in court. Quite obviously, their argument was not able to raise enough doubt.

            Remember, this is a criminal trial and must meet the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard, not a civil court’s “clear and convincing” or “preponderance of the evidence” standard.

          • Pearlbuck

            June 17, 2017 at 2:26 pm

            The fact this argument did not result in a different verdict is not a compelling argument, in my opinion. This strand of our conversation revolves around an expression of outrage on my part, which you seem to agree with. I believe that the legal power of Big Pharma is so immense that in makes it almost impossible to successfully use this type of defense. In my heart, it is an absolutely legitimate defense–we pump our kids full of powerful drugs, known to have tragic side effects, and then we look to place the blame anywhere but squarely on Big Pharma, amoral doctors, and our legal dope culture.

          • myddrinemrys

            June 17, 2017 at 2:52 pm

            I disagree on the “amoral doctors” comment. They are doing what “best practices” tells them to do. I would seriously disagree that it actually IS best practices, and would like to see them instead focus on using diet and exercise and leave drugs that can powerfully change the chemicals in the brain as an absolute last resort.

            But we can agree that our culture looks for “quick fixes,” even fixes to things that actually aren’t actually problems.

          • Pearlbuck

            June 17, 2017 at 9:17 pm

            Oh, my god…. doctors are totally in cahoots with Big Pharma and they act as operatives–as straight up drug pushers. “Best Practices” is the most insidious phrase in the English language.

          • myddrinemrys

            June 17, 2017 at 9:53 pm

            Citation needed. Smells a bit too “conspiracy theory” to me.

          • Pearlbuck

            June 18, 2017 at 12:46 am

            I’m not your intern, and it’s a bit ridiculous to ask for links “proving” my assertion. You tell me–who established the unforgivable “best practices” culture of doping our children?

      • suqsid4

        June 17, 2017 at 5:18 am

        Too bad your getting upvotes for saying absolutely nothing relevant.

        • Nem

          June 17, 2017 at 10:02 am

          Ironically, this comment is probably the least relevant here

    • AlexCorvidae

      June 16, 2017 at 3:46 pm

      The precedent was set a long time ago. Speech that incites direct imminent violence is not protected by the 1st amendment. Her messages qualify as inciting a direct imminent threat to Conrad.

      • Cori Hatchet

        June 16, 2017 at 3:48 pm

        What imminent violence? He fell asleep and didn’t wake up. Nice conflation.

        • AlexCorvidae

          June 16, 2017 at 3:53 pm

          He killed himself. He didn’t accidentally die in his sleep. If you give someone an injection of sedatives and poison. They fall asleep and don’t wake up. Are you saying therefore it isn’t murder?

          • Cori Hatchet

            June 16, 2017 at 3:54 pm

            Sorry, I didn’t realize she drugged/poisoned him. Again, nice conflation.

          • Minerverse

            June 16, 2017 at 8:06 pm

            Conflation. You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means. As of today, killing someone is a crime, even killing yourself. She incited him to a violent act resulting in someone’s death. By your “logic” Charles Manson shouldn’t be in prison. He never killed anyone. He just incited others to kill, with words. She’s guilty of inciting violence. There’s no “conflation” here.

          • Pearlbuck

            June 16, 2017 at 9:14 pm

            I’m not sure Manson should be in prison for his words. Putting people in jail for saying words that “incite” violence is incredibly vague and in conflict with the first amendment. We are to simply ignore the constitution when we are sufficiently repulsed by someone’s words?

            Some angry black men apparently shot at a truck because it had a Trump flag. Should the people with the flag be in jail now? Should the Republicans who got shot for their views be charged with inciting violence?

  8. David Mark Phillips

    June 16, 2017 at 3:23 pm

    They were words… this is unconstitutional. The guy killed himself, because he couldn’t handle life, and she made it worse… This will be EASILY overturned. Everyone who identifies as Republican/Libertarian/constitutionalist that agrees w/ this judgment is very confused…

    -23′

    • Cori Hatchet

      June 16, 2017 at 3:41 pm

      I’m a repub and I agree with you.

  9. Cori Hatchet

    June 16, 2017 at 3:31 pm

    She’s despicable, but there are so many things wrong with this verdict legally. It will definitely be overturned on appeal.

  10. duder1897

    June 16, 2017 at 3:41 pm

    Imagine if a man did this to a girl. Would get twice the jail time this evil bitch will get.

  11. Cori Hatchet

    June 16, 2017 at 3:52 pm

    Bottom line, there is no Mass law that covers this correctly. The charge of involuntary manslaughter was inappropriate and gross over charging and will be overturned on appeal. I’ll place dough on it.

    • Alex

      June 17, 2017 at 3:31 am

      And deep fry it?

  12. DaisyToo

    June 16, 2017 at 4:08 pm

    Interestingly, the precedent for convicting her was based on the case of one prisoner doing to another exactly what she did when she encouraged that young man to kill himself. Hopefully, this witch will be kept away from other prisoners.

  13. jabbermule

    June 16, 2017 at 4:36 pm

    The verdict will probably be changed to reckless endangerment on appeal.

  14. HIkkI78909

    June 16, 2017 at 4:56 pm

    She has an undeniable influence over him, and the texts paint a clear picutre of her manipulation, which led to boy’s suicide. She is a psycopath and a murderer.

  15. Kalin Xhaos

    June 16, 2017 at 5:08 pm

    But was he a Liberal?

  16. disqus_Aa7kWsb7Fp

    June 16, 2017 at 5:19 pm

    Manslaughter at least

  17. Minerverse

    June 16, 2017 at 8:10 pm

    All you people saying that the 1st amendment should apply and she shouldn’t be charged for saying “words”, you’re basically arguing that Charles Manson should not be in prison. Charles Manson never killed a single person. He just “encouraged” others to do the work for him. He used words to convince a bunch of groupies to act in ways he wanted them to. This woman did the same thing. She incited a violent act and a person died as a result. She’s guilty of a crime and deserves prison for it.

    • Arkady Renko

      June 16, 2017 at 10:23 pm

      Good point.

    • Chris

      June 17, 2017 at 4:02 pm

      Manson gave his ppl drugs & brainwashed them in person for years. Your point is not quite relevant here. This guy had a choice, leave the bitch & move on. Where were his parents during all of this?

      • Dylan Shaw

        June 18, 2017 at 2:25 am

        The point is very relevant.
        There are many, many figures throughout history that have done this exact thing. In fact, for a modern example, look at the leading voices of ISIS, Al-Qaeda, KKK and any other hate groups, who use their words to incite violence and inspire others to kill, WITHOUT using drugs.

        Any malevolent cult leader is guilty of this, Manson included.

        But semantics are unnecessary. The fact is, the crime fits the punishment, since it was in her heart to will him dead. The purpose of locking her up isn’t to make her suffer, but to force her to face the consequences; to discipline her by punishment; to send the much-needed message that it is NOT okay to will someone dead.

        Premeditation of murder is a crime: this isn’t even murder, but merely the plan.
        If a PLAN to commit homicide – which, for whatever reason, may not even end with someone’s death – is criminal, then how could one seriously believe that the encouragement and promotion of suicide deserves any less of a punishment?

        However, if this REALLY IS something you’re passionately willing to argue against with anyone, I encourage you to start by searching this name and building a solid thesis for yourself. The name to search is Dr. Jack Kevorkian.

        • Chris

          June 18, 2017 at 9:31 am

          Really? Kevorkian? He was paid by the elderly to assist them in death. Jim Jones is more relevant to this story than the dead Dr. Also, the KKK is highly non-relevant in todays society. Neo nazi’s skinheads have more traction than the klan. Unless youre one of those fruitcakes that believe Trump is in the klan. BLM calls for murdering white ppl in the street every other week…you didnt mention them. This girl told her boyfriend to go ahead…would you stay with a girl lime that, or dump her ass immediately? This is a clear case of the new generation of snowflakes having zero morals or backbone. You didnt answer my one queztion of where were his parents & family to intervene? He had mental issues obviously. Suicide doesnt just happen unless a person was thinking about it before the texts were sent. Or they are on anti-depression meds, in which case the suicide rate for those are sky high

      • Les Grossman

        June 19, 2017 at 1:19 am

        Drugs are irrelevant you dumbass dipshit. Mineverse is correct and you have a brain the size of a goldfish.

      • Klea Rusnim

        June 19, 2017 at 3:02 am

        Brainwashing was never substantiated in court. The people took drugs on their own accord – he didn’t shove the drugs down their fucking throats. They took drugs because they wanted to get high.

    • Klea Rusnim

      June 19, 2017 at 3:00 am

      The Charles Manson case was a highly questionable case as well. He did not murder anyone. He did not pay anyone money to kill anyone. Those murders were done by the people who held the weapons in their hands, NOT Charles Manson.

      Although I will say that NOT reporting the crimes BEFORE they were going to happen (since he did have some knowledge of it happening before it was going to happen) he should be held accountable for!!! However that should not hold the same weight as flat out first degree murder. I’d say 5-10 years at most.

  18. triangle whip

    June 16, 2017 at 9:05 pm

    If she can be indicted, so can Bernie Sanders.

  19. Pearlbuck

    June 16, 2017 at 9:11 pm

    Hmm… words have power, eh? You can be put in jail for stating your opinion, eh? First Amendment doesn’t protect “ugly” or “hateful” speech, eh?

    Interesting.

  20. dipflo

    June 16, 2017 at 10:12 pm

    How can you encourage someone to take their own life? You must be utterly devoid of a soul to begin with. But do not despair too much just yet for the cell you’re going to is nothing in comparison to your eternal one.

  21. Jesus Christ

    June 17, 2017 at 2:34 am

    That is fucked man.

  22. cojar

    June 17, 2017 at 2:51 am

    What I don’t understand is how the young man who killed herself could say “I love you” to this girl. And how he could believe her when she said, “Love ya’. As evil as this girl is, I don’t think it is good to set a precedent that words are actions. The young man took his own life because he was weak.

    • suqsid4

      June 17, 2017 at 5:14 am

      So Hate Speech to you is erroneous law?

  23. brainbyon

    June 17, 2017 at 4:13 am

    So if she is liable for him killing himself for telling to just go ahead and do it then Madonna, Kathy Griffin, Loretta Lynch (who encouraghed blood in the steets), Rosie Obutthole, newsanchors, and the rest of the psycho hose beasts and all these other violent minded radical idiots inciting others to do something wrong that they shouldn’t do, Then that is wrong too and they are just as guilty as this convicted teenage girl and should be prosecuted.

  24. Mark 2112

    June 17, 2017 at 10:51 am

    according to the left this is ‘art’

  25. Chris

    June 17, 2017 at 4:00 pm

    She needed to be punished, but this opens a door wide for any texts sent to anyone that dies unexpectedly. If you tell someone to go play in traffic, and they die crossing the street..youre now guilty of a crime. That guy could’ve just broke up with her & moved on. He had issues before this obviously

  26. Klea Rusnim

    June 19, 2017 at 2:57 am

    The fact the cunt NEVER contacted authorities – regardless of what was said – shows malice to the nth degree. This cunt DESERVES TO FUCKING ROT IN PRISON!!!!

    That being said – it should not hold the same weight as flat out murder. Some responsibility is in the hands of the guy who did in fact kill himself… Even IF he was taunted into doing so…. Not everyone who is taunted into suicide actually goes off and fucking kills themselves….

    This whore-cunt is just a terrible person – and to prosecute that is kinda iffy in a legal setting… This can lead to legislature later on that will end up infringing on innocent’s rights later down the line…. We have to keep in mind what the legal ramifications can be using this case as a precedent in the future….

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